vii. Future visions and goals
- Interviews 2009-2010
- i. Background and relationships
- ii. Ideological residence and practice
- iii. Fate and laws of life
- iv. God or a larger, ordering entity
- v. Health, ill-health and care
- we. Faith and knowledge
- vii. Future visions and goals
- Summary i-vii
"We must develop into, like, Jesus. When we're at the finish line, we're like him."
What the interviewees say about what is the ultimate goal for humanity and with life here on earth.
Development on earth has gone through different phases. Since the advent of industrialism, development has accelerated. This development is progressing. It can be described as "the energy level must be raised here on the globe". We are about to be transformed from animals to real people. Tendencies to be overcome are such as possessiveness, self-assertion, egoism and nationalism. This will happen mainly through natural development, not through external orders, laws, etc. "There is little difference between us and the Stone Age man who clubbed the neighbor to death over there. So a bit has happened, huh? But it is both darkness and light, until the date we realize that we are part of the whole.”
Human history is seen in an ethical or moral context. The mainstream religions have so far played a decisive role in this:
Thousands of years ago, we were barbarians. We murdered each other, and it was like… Well what did we have? We had vikings and yes, it was kind of raw, and to take revenge, you killed relatives and killed wild game. It was truly barbaric. And then came the Old Testament. And then people actually started to toughen up and become a little more humane. And then came the New Testament, because then people were open to a little more love and things like this.
The state of the world
There is too much focus on money in the world. Criticism is directed at people who take advantage of the economic crisis:
Today, it is money that rules, basically everything, I think. And to actually get away from this money... Money has to be made all the time. Look at this crash that has been now. All these billions that the government has pumped into all these countries. This money is missing, and it is missing because someone has received it. Everyone who has received all these billions.
The media goes about the business of the establishment and chooses to keep quiet about things that could be uncomfortable, such as signs and even proof that Earth is actually visited by individuals from other planets:
It's just that there are no journalists who have gathered the information, because they go about like sheep herders and just do their usual stuff, right? And then things like this... are taboo. They're not allowed to write about it, or they don't want to, or I don't know what it is.
There are journalists and writers who could help make these new perspectives known and respected. These are people who perceive themselves to have knowledge and a positive interest in things that lie on the borderline, but who for some reason choose to lay low or even ridicule new and interesting information. An insightful journalist in many ways at one of the big morning newspapers is described as such a "stopping block". There is also too much focus on negative news:
I think it's going in the right direction as well. That humanity is developing in the right direction and that... I am very much against this negative news that is, and the disaster alarms and all the misery that we are kind of overwhelmed by. And now that applies to the climate. That's a huge over-interpretation of everything negative, I think.
When asked what the respondent would do if she gained power, she replies that she would replace the politicians with wise people:
We teach our children that they are not allowed to fight, and then we put the boys in the military and then they have to start shooting, and then there is a war somewhere and then we put them there and they kill a lot of people. But you can't go out on the street and kill someone here, then you get punished, but if you kill someone in war, it's okay.
One of the respondents believes that you are considered "stupid in the head" if you claim that there are spaceships that can reach our planet from other civilizations. However, there should be information about such things on NASA's website, she claims, it's just that no one bothered to look for it. The authorities in various countries have long obscured knowledge and observations made by visitors from outer space. However, some such classified information has now started to come out, after researchers requested it. The security services of different countries cooperate on projects that the public is not told anything about. These authorities have knowledge of such things as reincarnation and are, among other things, busy trying to trace certain souls who have reincarnated, for example Adolf Hitler. One of the interviewees recently had a shocking encounter:
After this conversation I had with this man yesterday, I don't know anything anymore. There they say that you can decide where the souls will go, and you must make amends for past lives, and now they are looking for Hitler to get hold of his soul, and kill the person that Hitler is in. And this is the Swedish state who deals with this. So high-ranking within the security service. It sounds completely screwed up.
Hopeful signs
A growing interest in neo-spiritual thoughts indicates that it is moving forward:
Yes, we become more and more human, and there is more and more love that actually emerges. And we think more about life, it's very much like this new age, and whatever it is, many people are interested in things like this.
The earthly paradise is not so far away. An interviewee draws a parallel to technological development:
But if we look at it from an astronomical perspective, it is a short time. And we can only see how development has been forced since, yes, since industrialism began, for example, it's going very fast... If you buy a computer today and go home with it, it's already obsolete when you get home with it, that's how fast it goes . So that if the development is forced... Now it seems that things are going in a curve like this... Everything is going at a furious pace now, and it will go faster.
Humanity has crossed a critical line:
If you have survived this period like we have, then you can't go back again, right? Then there must still be a forward development. And why would we then... Imagine that you have a free... You have access to free energy. No one has to worry about space. We have access to space, because we can control gravity. We have free energy. Anyone can get a spaceship, get a house, get everything... We don't have to work for bread. Then why should we go to war? Why should we argue? When there is... Then many of the reasons disappear... Because that's why we do it, because we think we have to get away with it. That's the mentality.
There are many signs that the development is going in the right direction. At the grassroots level, many people become aware of phenomena such as circles in cornfields, says one respondent:
This summer, people like that just fell in. Plus this thing with cornfield circles, some guys who were down there themselves and checked, and went in them here, and then told. So that I have established a network of contacts, especially in the last six months, a lot has happened. I've never had it like that before, huh? And one leads to the other. So I think a lot is happening now at the grassroots level that is not visible.
According to some prophecies, the world is facing transformative and positive changes: "The energy level will be raised here on the globe, a lot of things will happen, and time will go faster, and all possible dramatic things will happen."
Visitors from extraterrestrial civilizations may soon make themselves known in a more unambiguous way to humanity:
I think we have a huge amount of stuff that will happen in the years to come. I think so, but it is not certain to be so. It will probably happen both within our technology and within… It may even happen that we will make contact with extraterrestrial civilizations. There are a lot of people who think it's on G now.
Different parts of the world are at different stages of this transformation or development. The people of the Nordic countries are pioneers. The fact that the Nordic countries are not directly involved in war is a sign of this. "And then we are lucky here in the Nordics because we have come a lot further. We don't have a lot of wars and things like this. But the whole world is not involved.” Here in the Nordic countries, there is generally a greater human ability or maturity. This maturity manifests itself, for example, in the fact that we find it difficult to slaughter animals, something that people from some other cultures can do without thinking about it. Even an interest in sports indicates that the warlike mentality has begun to subside: "We who do not fight, we get involved in sports. And there are football matches and you get angry and things like this... It's then like to get an outlet for this energy."
Environmental destruction and the like are a burden on Mother Earth, but this will eventually be able to be remedied and stopped. Damage to the planet can be healed. The temperature increase is possibly a misunderstanding:
And now that they think that the climate and all this... That it's our fault and so on, which I don't think it's just, even though we've added our scoop to it, like, it's... I don't know if you've heard it, but there's... It's not just the earth that's warming, it's all the planets in the solar system. There's a lot going on with every single planet. Even Pluto, being so far away from the Sun, is getting warmer. So it's not just HERE. And then you can start to wonder if it's just us, and our fault, when the whole... In the center of the galaxy, scientists now know today... and this is normal mainstream, that there is a black hole... Which they didn't believe. It's only recently that they've started admitting that it actually is. And not only that black holes suck in, but that they also release energy. But they give off energy much like at the equator, and at the south pole and the north pole, on Earth... so even suns have these, so that it comes out... And they can see that in supernovae and things like that. They have SEEN that. At first they couldn't explain... How could it come HUGE... from several million light years, or a thousand light years, different sizes, big ones like this... Well it's because it also radiates energy, at weird explosions like this or at black holes and stuff …
Challenges
The universe is a dangerous place, and an asteroid could hit Earth. Therefore, it is claimed that we develop a technology so that we can create colonies in space if necessary. Civilizations on other planets, which sometimes visit us, already have such technology today. We need to absorb and learn from them.
Becoming a vegetarian is a necessary course change that has to happen: “So we won't get to the finish line until everyone has become a vegetarian too. Because as long as we kill our friends like that. As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be war.”
In some parts of the world, the challenges are greater:
We are going to suffer so much, so that in the end we say no, now it will be enough... When these Muslim women, for example, have... and generation after generation after generation... suffered through this, in the end they are sad, and that's when things start to happen. So that there will be suffering, more and more suffering, and there will be many disasters, many people will die. Because it has to be that there won't be a world of peace and tranquility and love, unless EVERYONE has gotten there. And then we have a challenge, don't we. It will take many years.
There may be another great war. This is something that is mentioned in the neo-spiritual literature:
But there might also be some setbacks because you have to... After all, it comes down to hunger and satiety, that you feel a desire for different things, and then you get full of something. And that this war mentality has to get… maybe still hungry, before it can sort of be satiated.
A different time perspective
The time perspective of the interviewees seems different. The next incarnation is not seen as something distant. One of the respondents looks forward to being able to engage in space travel in her next life, when she returns to Earth:
And I'm already thinking... What do I want to do for something good in this... How do I want to develop myself so that I can... And what do I want to do in the NEXT life. I want to go up THERE, I've always been fascinated... I feel like I belong up there.
Death is seen as something positive. One respondent describes how you then get to "another level in the universe where everything is good." Life here on earth with its trials can be experienced as more enigmatic, how it can be as it is, while at the same time there is a conviction that one has actually chosen all this:
Like an old car, eh, you leave it behind, so... Why should you have the same car all the time, when it starts to get old. Yes, then you leave it back there... Not an atom you have can die, right, but it returns to the system. And then you get a new body then, if you feel like it.
We learn not only for this life, but also for future incarnations:
I say this, that from birth to death we are exposed to things from the outside, to build up and learn, so that we know what life is like. And many people say this, but what is the point of that. But that's to have it for NEXT.
An interviewee states that she is in no hurry, however. When asked if the interviewee longs for the future state that the new spirituality describes, she answers: "But I don't do it right away like that... strangely enough... eventually... well, nothing now. I feel like there is so much of this earthly life that I probably want to pursue in multiple gen… reincarnations.”
Eventually the individual comes to a point when she feels she wants to take her spiritual development seriously:
Then you reach a limit somewhere in life where you feel that I have... yes, I have reached a limit, I have had enough of what I have experienced, or my experiences tell me that I want to move on to something else. And that is where the path really begins, which we are talking about, and which is a more intensified path of experience, one might say, and where in this life one tries to walk an inner spiritual path.
If anything can be said to be the goal of our development, it is to develop a compassion for all living things:
Compassion is primarily because you yourself recognize your own pain, from your own experiences, you recognize them in your fellow man or in the animal, or the plant or whatever it is, and so you eventually avoid harming other living beings. And that is, in a way, the goal of development as well, to become so loving that you feel that you yourself are part of the whole. And what you do to your surroundings, you actually do to yourself.
Man must dismantle his "ego":
Yes, then there is this ego, which rules... as I usually say the devil... Although it's not really the devil, but it's the ego, which many say, talk about, that yes, there must be a lot of devil in that person. But it is this that it is the ego that CONTROLS the person to do bad things.
Perfection
The individual is on the way to becoming perfect. Such perfection is characterized by a high degree of humanity and wisdom. Already today there are individuals who are perfect or "enlightened". Some are incarnated here on earth, while others now have a permanent residence in a spiritual existence. Time and again in the material, the biblical Jesus returns as the model for human perfection: "We must develop into, like, Jesus. When we're at the finish line, we're like him."
This type of insight also has a moral dimension. People with these gifts are normally very loving: “But then I think you see everything in a loving light. That is the very idea, that then you see BIGGER. And that you can put it in a different perspective.” "The perfect man is like a love genius."
When asked how these people can be described, one respondent answers:
Yes, I think it's quite a lot of classical things, which we would... that one would perhaps attribute to saints and... humility and things like this. But it is above all that they are less self-absorbed, or less self-centered, less of their own and more of other things, of other people, perhaps of the whole of creation. They are less egos, in a way. But not just like in the way they act, but I mean really deep down, so really deep down, in the deepest soul, that they are not…. But it is like an enlightened one in some way simply. By that I mean that it is required that you go down that road... that you become smaller in the self. And finally that the self hopefully disappears.
This maturity, which is the goal and the result of the experiences we make, is a parallel to what a person can achieve even during a single life. An informant draws a parallel to his mother:
I mean, my mother, for example, can say like this... well, it's nice that... she's eighty, or so, but she already said that when she was seventy... That you don't have to be vain anymore, it's so nice. You don't have to care about what people think, or /inaudible/. But it's the same phenomenon, but over the WHOLE... maybe over many lifetimes. That you think like this... STRENGTH, like. Tired of things. Because I think it's similar to how it is in this life. That you are so inside... When you are young, you have to achieve things and build things and such, and then you become a little wiser.
The perfect man is no longer male or female, but has become androgynous, a hermaphrodite. Then we will no longer form a family or bring children into the world. This means that the individual has become free from many ties. She no longer needs a representative of the opposite sex, as she now contains all the qualities within herself. At this level the individual has become like God, who is also elevated above such duality. "So they say that you become one with everything when you are enlightened... Yes, but then you become God, and then it becomes fantastic in the whole world."
At that point, the individual has a complete experience bank: "Well, then you must have gone from being a murderer, or whatever you want, to something... to having done something good. To have been through it all, and that takes many incarnations.”
One respondent does not think that the ultimate goal is for us to become androgynous, but instead wants to describe it as that we need to have access to both our masculine and our feminine side: "Well, I think that you need to have a balance between the masculine and feminine energy, just like yin and yang... After all, it's about him balancing giving and receiving."
There will be a paradise on earth. National borders must be dissolved and everything will then be one nation. The neo-spiritual thought system is consistent with a primitive religion that existed in the past. It was this wisdom that, for example, Christ taught from the outside, but which has since partially fallen into oblivion. The great world religions have fulfilled an important function and still do so, but in time they will be replaced by this common religion. Already in five hundred years there will be many people in the world who deeply embrace this understanding of life. In three thousand years the world will have attained perfection. Then humanity is in agreement on all the big issues.
However, the new spirituality does not describe a final goal. A "kingdom of heaven" on earth with perfect people may seem like a grand vision, but this kingdom will still be only a station on the way.: "The goal and the goal... There is no direct goal. But the development looks so yes, that you will get there.” Nor can you say that life has a certain meaning, that it boils down to something certain: "Yes, it depends. Then you get to define the question. Because really it doesn't, does it. The only meaning of life is what we fill life with.” "Evolution itself... it has no goal SO, because you never reach an end point."'
One of the respondents reasons around the idea of an eternal development and transformation within the neo-spiritual worldview. That this must continue forever, otherwise life would be nothing. To live a single life or to be able to achieve a definite end goal would in practice be almost the same: "As soon as you cut infinity into something finite... As soon as something becomes finite, even if it is huge, it is practically nothing. Compared to eternity, something finite is always close to zero.”
All the people are going there. And you can say that, that is our current goal if we are now talking about goals. That is humanity's goal then. It's only a partial goal, but...